July 9, 2008
The Facts
On CNBC this morning Nouriel Roubini of RGE Monitor said the financial markets credit looses will go beyond $300 billion and reach $1 trillion. (RGE Monitor is a global economic and financial analysis firm based in New York City with additional offices in Asia and Europe, and ranked as one of the world’s best economic web sites.) Roubini teaches economics at NYU, and has an excellent record in his economic forecasting (even Becky Quick of CNBC admitted that, which was surprising). He’s very pessimistic about the future of our economy, and expects the current recession to get worse and “be long & protracted”. Relative to the financial crisis, Roubini predicts it will be the worst one since the great depression of 1929, that hundreds of banks will go bankrupt, and a government bailout will be of little help. Roubini also pointed to the 62,000 jobs that were lost in June as further evidence of an impending bad recession when coupled with the fact that we now have had six straight months of job looses.
My View
Democratic Governor Joe Corzine of New Jersey was also a guest on CNBC this morning talking about the economy, and the differences of how Barak Obama and Joe McCain propose to handle the economic situation. Corzine was pointing out how the Republicans want to spend & spend and not come up with a way to pay for the spending (this use to be the Democrats). It seems the Republicans want to spend the money, but don’t want the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share. They seem to figure if they just “charge it”, the middle class and lower class taxes can pay for it later; if it gets paid at all.
Joe Corzine is a very well experienced economic politician. He is low keyed and doesn’t get rattled by the aggressors. Becky Quick and Joe Kernen of CNBC tried a couple of times to trick him up, but it didn’t work. When Corzine mentioned that incomers of $250 thousand and more weren’t paying their fair share of taxes, Quick said “$250 thousand doesn’t go as far in New Jersey as it does in the mid-west”, implying most people in New Jersey shouldn’t have to pay their fair share of taxes because it cost more to live there than in other places. Corzine shot back immediately saying 90% of the people in New Jersey made $100 thousand or less. Speaking directly to Quick, he went on to say “I hate this trickle down stuff, and that’s what you are talking about, under McCain and the last 7 or 8 years of Bush”. Quick quickly shut up (no pun intended). To support the trickle down economics flaw, Corzine pointed out that in the 1990’s (under Clinton) we had a 22 million job increase, while under Bush we have had only a 6 million job increase. He finished off that portion of his comments by saying “maybe the people who watch your show are not being bothered with the economy, but the vast majority is getting crushed”. The entire interview with Joe Corzine was extremely enlightening. You should go here and watch it. It’s 10 1/2 minutes long, but worth it.
Right after Corzine, CNBC had Mitt Romney on. This seemed to make the host smile with pleasure and delight. Romney was introduced with great fanfare and music. Joe Kernen started the interview by saying “I tried to ask Corzine some questions, but he was so smooth I couldn’t lay a glove on him”, and said to Romney “maybe you could counteract what Corzine said”. And, of course, Romney did, but it was with very flawed facts and disinformation. But to be fair, Kernen did ask Mitt Romney some tough questions, to which Romney answered in typical political fashion, which was really no answer at all. However, he didn’t miss out on the opportunity to mention “reigning in spending”, which was immediately followed up with that dirty word “entitlements”, which means Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid; all those things middle and lower class people eventually come to rely on. But he conveniently ignored the fact that tax breaks and other “goodies” given to the wealthy & corporations is also “spending”; which now is also considered an “entitlement” by those recipients. If you like, you can watch Romney’s interview.
Both politicians, Corzine and Romney, were basically promoting their respective Presidential candidates and throwing rocks at their opponents. But when it comes to the proposed tax plan each candidate has officially filed, the facts speak for themselves. I wrote a post on this last month, and once you read that and all the supporting documentation, you to will know the facts, whether you want to accept them or not.
As for CNBC host, with the rare exception of one or two, they certainly come across as supporting the political right. (And to think Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox News, started his business channel because he thinks “CNBC is too anti-business”.) Any guest who speaks too negatively about the economy, growth, or the market while under a Republican President, they (the host) try to get them to reword their comments or change what they are saying. If they can’t, they just wait until the interview is over and then try to debunk them when the guest is no longer around to defend. And you certainly can’t take the word of the many investment managers CNBC has as guest. They are never going to give the market or the economy a bad report card. If investors stop investing, those managers are loosing big money. Even while the “Bullish” market is at 27.4%, the lowest it has been since 1994, the investment managers are saying the Bear market is over. Most say all will be well in “XX” months, so “now is the time to invest”. Naturally, since no one has a crystal ball to refute them, they have nothing to loose; and if they are wrong, no one will remember what they said.
CNBC often cites the result of their on-line and television polls on these issues. Sure, their polls are going to be positive about the economy and the markets; as I said before, the vast majority of the people who watch CNBC are in that upper 5%, and not only will that 5% not be bothered by the bad economy, they have much to loose if they support the idea the economy is severely damaged. So I put little credence in CNBC polls.
My bottom line on this post is that we are in a recession by its basic definition, regardless of the arguments, and it is going to get much worse. We can thank the Bush administration and the changes in laws he has insisted on for the markets and big businesses. However, if you are part of that 5% who has become wealthy, or wealthier, by those changes, you are happy and not bothered by the recession.